if you can't get it done with him over the next 3 1/2 years, i simply don't know when you'll get it done. this is a moment to do it, the cry for leadership. a few men and women can do it under the president's leadership, just a few in the senate and house who are prepared to say, i'm going to pay the price at the polls if i must, but i'm going to lead this country through this problem. chris: great idea. this is exactly right, then do it. i'm with you. the bottom line is we put to the matthews meter, 12 of our regulars including katty and mike here, will there be significant reform in the presidency as dan brought up, seven say yes, five say they won't be. two of those five are here. katty? >> i just don't see the political viability of going to voters and say we're going to cut your services. to retirees who are the majority of the voters, listen, we just had a government thrown out of office in italy precisely because it did this. it cut services.